Monday, August 12, 2013

What's the deal with 5S0 Oakridge State?

FSX/P3D. An independent scenery that was really promising to likely be the most detailed airport in the PNW region has been silent for far too long. In fact, you can clearly see that this airport rivals anything ever produced by Orbx. Which is why we were pleased too learn back in February that the project was being brought under the wing of Orbx. But after 6 months absolutely no word on this project since it offically became an Orbx project which begs the question, Whats the deal?









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40 comments:

Andrea Bolshi said...

Sad to hear no news on it. They guy had such brilliant talent when it came to textures!

I guess ORBX snapped him up and set him to work on one of their increasingly generic and bland airports? ORBX airports look great but sadly with every release the same objects are used over and over again and they no longer feel unique or special.

Ludmila Ivanova said...

It seems that the same happened with the scenery for Bodø.

Charlie B said...

Not sure there is any conspiracy here?

This guy spent a good couple of years working on this and several other never-completed airfields prior to being picked up by ORBX, I guess he's still working on Oakridge at his own pace.

Quiet news day boys?

Montie said...

A little research and you will have your answer: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/60359-5s0-oakridge-state/?p=548828

Brett said...

This was answered on the ORBX forum a couple of months ago. Developer has had family issues come up and had to put the project aside.

DAndre Newman said...

@ Monte & Brett,

My point is, what is the point of this becoming an Orbx project if the origional developer doesn't have tbe time ane means to proceed with production? I thought the whole point of this project going to Orbx was the fact there is a large team to assist in continuing development.

We were aware of his issues prior to the project going to Orbx. Thus I reiterate, whats the deal??

DAndre Newman said...

From what I can surmise, nothing has changed.

Montie said...

I do not think joining Orbx meant that somebody would complete the project, but rather the possibility of sharing knowledge and technology. That is my take on it... I hope Steffen is well and that he will be able to continue the fine work at some point.

Charlie B said...

D'Andre the point of this topic is what exactly? Are you guys just stirring the pot or what?

Seriously, a developer who's making an addon for FSX has to put it on hold due to real-life commitments - when has this ever been a news item? Happens all the time.

Inciting the usual anonymous ORBX-bashing with leading posts like this will do nothing to increase the reputation of this website, a bit dissapointed with this one to be honest.

Tinfoil said...

Orbx took him in, sacrificed his airport to the devil, then used the airports blood and guts to build Global and set it to walk upon the earth by night! Only our hero NickN can save us from this demon now.

Serious talk now. Developers don't do this full time. Many don't provide frequent updates. They have families, day jobs, and other hobbies to attend to. Most if them do work for FSX as a hobby for some pocket money at the end of the day.

DAndre Newman said...

Thats okay Charlie. Not everyday will this site be everything you want or expect it to be. You are just going to have to accept that. As for reputition, at nearly 400,000 visits a month, everyone has a different opinion about this blog so reputation is only in the eye of the beholder.

As to your question of stirring the pot, it only seemed common sense that by joining Orbx, that there would be more assistance in getting the project completed. But it seems Imy assimption was wrong. So the developer gets access to the Orbx libs, and Orbx gets a piece of sales? I honestly thought there would be more to the deal. I had an expectation that orbx products had developmental time periods on them. I guess not.

Nothing aganst the developer. He is obviously very talented and I do hope his issues work out. But say he is just unable to return to the project. Thats it? Scrapped? Would Orbx developers not be in a position to complete it?

DAndre Newman said...

FYI my writing abities are not at their best on my iPhone so please excuse my spelling and grammer errors.

DAndre Newman said...

The same can be said for ADX...

DAndre Newman said...

Except you get the frequent updates! :)

Radoslavov said...

Ludmila Ivanova, s Bodo sluchaia e syvsem razlichen :)

I was reading in fsdevelopers that this is fictional airfield

Truth 1 said...

Yes I understand that but to run a business you need to continue the work or you will be out of the job.

Truth 1 said...

I completely agree DAndre Newman.

ORBX and ORBX fanboys simply can't take anything negative. Geez, I even posted something on the ORBX forum just commenting on the development of another project (a plane) with a link and they took it off. How big headed is that that you can't even talk about the good things of another project.

Very bad business all around ORBX!

And sorry if it hurts you ORBX fanboys.

Truth 1 said...

Totally agree DAndre

timbo said...

Not sure I understand the angst here?

Joining Orbx does NOT mean your airport gets 'made for you' more that you will have access to the best in the business for advice, access to special object libraries and of course the famous Orbx special sauce

In regards to this project, yes the answer lies above, "on hold due to personal issues that need attention."

Family ALWAYS comes first at Orbx, no matter what.

Flightsim development does not pay a lot of money, most of the time the profits only cover the cost of licensing imagery. so everyone on the team at Orbx also has a day job, and families, and lots of other things to contend with.. (we are humans too)

You must remember every project at Orbx is a 'personal' project, normally created by one or two guys spending months and months toiling away in the wee hours of the night, or on the weekends.

Orbx is not a huge mega-company, more a cooperative/collective of the best flightsim developers, who share ideas and dreams, We are all mad simmers and aviation lovers, this is our hobby, and we share it with you.

Cheers!
Tim Harris

timbo said...

The Orbx forum is a 'Commercial vendor support forum' purely for the support of Orbx products, it is NOT a general unaffiliated flightsim forum like Simouthouse/Flightsim.com etc..

Nothing more, nothing less

DAndre Newman said...

Fully agreed. Now here comes the however. Ready? Okay! Que the however:

However, Orbx has set quite a standard and as a business, the hobby element has to be taken seriously and not casually. Now with that said, I staunchly believe all the Orbx developers take their craft and the Orbx business model very seriously and I do not wan't to trivialize the family issues of the developer.

But perhaps this project should have not been announced as an Orbx project in the first place as with that announcement comes an expectation. one that is set by the company and rightfully so.

So, if a product is announced as an Orbx project and taken under the wing of Orbx, the company as a whole should be in the position to make an executive decision as a team to continue the work.

We all get that no one is getting rich off FS scenery design. But as a business, business like minded decisions sometimes need to me implemented in an effort to maintain the business model.

The current issue with 5S0 stagnation falls out of those lines. But this is merely my own opinion. And I am quite sure there is some level of accountability among the developers at Orbx.

Timbo said...

Accountable yes, if you pre-payed for it. other than that no.

We are aware of the issue of 'raising expectations' by way sharing screenshots too early, however we do have a rule in place now that only projects in late-beta are shown in public, this is to limit what it is I think you are referring too.

Orbx never gives release dates, because as with most things, if it can go wrong it normally and usually does go wrong, this is flightsim development :)

Truth 1 said...

You gave several release dates for FTX Global

altstiff said...

If this was a freeware airport I could see it. But commercial is different.

I have disagreed with D'Andrea in the past for slamming freeware guys for not updating/releasing as stated, but on this one D'Andrea is dead on and good for him on having the nads to call on it. ORBX is a business, not a hobby.

JV has made that very point quite clear in many of his posts. You cannot have it both ways.

Mr. A said...

For once, I agree with you DAndre :)

John Venema said...

Release it when it is ready -just that simple. Please dont put up any conspiracy theory´s. We worked all very hard in past and now still on Gloabal and several other FTX Regions like FTX Northern California. Go and moan Aerosoft for their crap. I bet Mr. Kok and Mr. Pabstin mood for conspiracy.

chino said...

"Release it when it is ready -just that simple." Too bad you don't follow your own advice john v with ftxg. More FTX double talk.

Todd said...

Why the angst over this airport? Do people's simming enjoyment depend on it? Yes, Orbx probably has bigger priorities, like Northern CA, which will sell more product than Oakridge. Don't be shocked that Orbx is a business. Businesses make these decisions all the time. You have to if you want to pay the bills and earn a PROFIT (oh no, I said it). As a pro-capitalist American pig I am fine with that decision. Stop getting your panties in a wad over some small GA airport that will sell only a fraction of what a region like Northern CA will sell. Most of you have probably never owned or run a business to get that.

DAndre Newman said...

I dont think that is John BTW.

DAndre Newman said...

Todd, please calm your capitalist American pig ass down please... If anything, you have shown your own panties to be in a bunch.

Mr. Spock said...

That is a logical conclusion, DAndre.

Insert anonymous name here said...

Much ado about nothing! Congratulations on the success of your site DAndre that you are so eager to tell us all about, perhaps it goes to your head a little though. It seems you are trying too hard and end up trying to make news where none exists. You just come across as opinionated then. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

DAndre Newman said...

Okay... And? No one says you need to read everything you see... But you got to express YOUR opinion too though. However false as it may be...

You're welcome!

Truth 1 said...

Funny how it's ok to say good things bad you can't say anything negative.

Motorman said...

Why make a big deal over an airport that's not released?

ADX posts interesting articles and you still get people complaining about anything. If you don't like what you read here then go else where.

Andrew said...

Isn't Mr Harris a little contradicting? Look at JV's review posted at this very site some time back: http://airdailyx.blogspot.com.br/2011/09/exclusive-for-airdailyx-interview-of.html

"You have to understand that we have invested millions of dollars building our tech on the FSX architecture, so we will only port to a platform which has a large enough audience to make it worth our while."

And further down his explanation for the amount:

"Sure. We began developing FSX products back in 2006 and we have spent about $2m on development costs including salaries, contractors, licensing source data, R&D, offices, equipment, leases, loans, interest, taxes ... etc. We are a 60+ person organisation that costs a lot of money to run. So two mill is actually not a lot of money for five years of development really."

Now which is it? Is it a two million dollar operation, or not a "mega company" as stated now and JV was just glorifying?

Best in the business? WOW you guys are so humble too. Let me know when you can make a flyable international HUB like FlyTampa, and not a slideshow for screenshots.

Alex Goff said...

It's exactly as Tim said, a cooperative/collective of developers. There is no mega office where the conspiracies are plotted. Two million dollars over five years is on the small side for businesses.

I think most people would be surprised to see that the typical day of an Orbx (or any flightsim) developer is mostly going to school or work, coming home and working on flightsim projects for a few hours before bed.

A large group of developers indeed but no mega corporation.

chino said...

lol dandre...todd looks soooo cute in his pink polka dot knickers ;]

(big wolfe whistle @ todd )


chino said...

yikes...we have a lot of imposters here....john v. , NickN ,,and who else is going to show? mathijs k ...

Mathijs Kok said...

No I won't enter in to this debate - I'm too busy getting people to finish some new Airbus models

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