FSX. Aerosoft has released some superb screen captures of the upcoming Twin Otter X! This time, a detailed look at the exterior of D-IVER. This project is coming together nicely with some fantastic attention to detail...just look at all those rivets! See inside for more...
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The majority of the simmers do not care about exterior detail as much as they do about accurate cockpit representation.
Please Aerosoft, for us hardcore simmers, focus on realistic aircraft simulation and less on eye candy development.
Speak for yourself dude. The majority of simmers want a complete product both in and out.
Sorry, but he does not only speak for himself. Although it is nice to see an accurate, well-done representation of the real world aircraft, the attention to detail represented by the "number of rivets=the real plane's" is a step too far in many people's eyes. I also want more attention on the actual flight simulation. At the end of the day, the software is Flight Simulator X and not Spotter Simulator X. Aerosoft's answer will always be, "Our market research tells us that..."
I don't think Aerosoft will ever do high-end like the NGX or whatnot. I feel that they are more the business than the passion... Don't get me wrong, they make nice stuff, but they will never cater to the so-called hardcore market fully. I guess they see FSX as a game. Some of us see it a little beyond that status... but I suppose that is a small market compared to the mass of gamers out there...
Please, two more shots ! Can not get enough of this meaningful systems informations. On some pictures i can see that this turboshaft engine in combination with the propeller governing is simulated in high quality.
Whether it aerosoft own made products will ever create to earn my respect in the complete package? Years are gone and i feel there are no professionals at the controls- unfortunately.
Okay so you would buy the AFS Dreamliner if it meant perfect systems on the flightdeck?
Because if the majority of simmers would buy that, then I promise to shut my mouth on the subject.
COULDNT AGREE MOR WITH YOU MATE ! The S in FSXstands forsimulation. WE want great systems......because you dont fly the plane from the outside
Yeah sure... and as soon they release a product with 512px textures, people are complaining becuase it is ugly! Textures are important too! Certainly for me (since I am a video maker).
If they want to preview a system, they will need to make a video OR 10098097486 screenshots. Aerosoft is getting BETTER in planes and I am sure that this one will be as perfect as their Airbus Extended. But please... bare in min that this just WIP dude. There will come screens of systems too, I am 100% sure!
Jonah
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And to continue, I reassert my point. I disagree with the first comment. I think the majority of flight simmers want the best inside and out.
But they will lower their expectations external quality if the systems are perfectly simulated.
The first commenter said: "The majority of the simmers do not care about exterior detail..." i'm sorry but I think that's bullshit. The majority does care.
Then why we're still complaining about Airbus addons ? Wilco was OK in flight systems, exterior looks crap, so VC, why we're not happy about it ? Or let's use some FS9 addons in FSX, because their flight systems is good. Are you ready to 2D panels ?
If you dont like the product, stop finding something to blame, the quality of virtual cockpit is always important as flight systems, in some addons it's more importan than flight systems because there's a group who wants to fly instead of dealing FMC or other things. Considering these users, plus people who approach quality and systems same way, texture quality is more important than systems, maybe it's not 80% vs %20 but i can say it's like %60 vs %40.
If everyone cares only flight dynamics, we would've still using FS98 addons along with Abacus and AFS products, like DAndre said above.
For TL:DR :
Bitch, please*
*insert Yao Ming meme here
"insert Yao Ming meme here" good one!
Hmm interesting points over here.
For me most important features are flight model, systems, sounds and interior.
I don't "give a shit" about liveries and exterior model :)
I like a good overall product, inside and out. If your visuals are garbage, I could care less about your systems and if your systems aren't at least decent, I could care less about the product altogether. Just my two cents...
Although, it's interesting the vocal few who seem to constantly bang the drum for systems over visuals. I'm sorry, but the community is broad, it's not tailored to just you. I prefer, as do many I'm sure, at least a good looking product, even on the exterior. Yes it's called a simulator, but I don't spend 100% of my time in the cockpit, especially if it's a flight over an hour, I like to pan around the exterior and get screenshots and (if the product is good enough) marvel at the visuals. Don't get me wrong, I expect excellent systems to, I like to fly by the book, down to every procedure as much as possible, but there is no reason to not find the time during the 'slow' periods of my flights to enjoy the visuals.
That's just me of course. But as you can see, there are a vast variety of ways people enjoy the sim, and it's just not in systems. So please, before you bang that drum again, remember that it's not all about you either.
Time for some to stop judging everything from an uniformed point of View. The plane is not even out yet and the trash talk is already starting. NO scratch that, continuing to rave on. Anyone here fly the plane yet or know the full systems modeling? Surely not from a few pics. Let Aerosoft finish the development and If you do not entirely like it. Try NOT buying it. Keep flying the plane of your choice, tell everyone about it and move on.
I love it, this is going to 'the' plane of the year for me, loved the Bronco, loved the airbus, true packages of solid entertainment thats what I like about the guys that make these
If people dont like this, can you do us a favor...DONT buy it, we really dont want to hear your miserable carping on and on about inane C-R-A-P
Cant wait for this...hurry up!!
For me, systems are no doubt important but as a real world pilot of this aircraft, trust me, it helps to know that you're flying something that's gorgeous on the outside as well. IMHO, for FSX it adds to the immersion. Excellent systems integration complimented by an excellent exterior and sounds reproduction will do a helluva long way to ensuring utmost pleasure when you do sit down at the PC.
Precisely, all-around excellence, inside and out, make for the best products.
"The first commenter said: "The majority of the simmers do not care about exterior detail..." i'm sorry but I think that's bullshit. The majority does care."
Mr Newman - I would try to soften my words if I were you.
How many FS developers out there "do" all round excellence, inside and out?
I can name only a few. It is those few that I will buy. For example, I do not buy Carenado any more. Granted the visuals are good, but the flight simulation is not. The recent FDEs have improved more than 100% thanks to the involvement of one person, but the systems sim in the cockpit is under par and often requires the hands of a number of exceptionally talented people to work on them to get in some cases basic functionality to work properly.
We will have to wait and see what exactly this addon will bring. I am saddened by the lack of RXP integration, as the FSX default nav database is no longer even vaguely up to date, the RXP database, although not up to date, is certainly a LOT newer. But Aerosoft have made it clear that without input from the RXP development team, they are not going to add it. Shame, as there are several developers that have added 3D bezels for the RXP devices and they work well (Real Air for one). It will make real world IFR simulation in this aircraft a little difficult, as it will be hard to find routes that match... hell, it can be difficult enough patching a route because the AIRAC is one month out of date... :)
I will read the reviews of course, I will certainly take a look... I have just been disappointed by many recent aircraft releases from Aerosoft, as they have not been what I was expecting. Perhaps my expectations are set too high. Well, I only have PMDG, Real Air, A2A to thank for that :)
+1
This + The Dash = turboprop lovers paradise ;)
And somewhere along the line, PMDG will drop the 777 bomb. Can't get better than that..
Or the DC6 bomb....
Sorry...
Again I would like to comment on some of Your posts.
"Please Aerosoft, for us hardcore simmers, focus on realistic aircraft simulation and less on eye candy development."
Within Aersoft there are different developement teams. The team developing the Twin Otter extended are the same who made the Hughes H-1, Catalina, Bronco and most of the F-16 (we took over after the first team gave up).
Though none of these are quite as complex as other developers who make vintage / GA aircraft, I still think that especially the H-1, Catalina and Bronco are among the most complex aircraft in their league.
Even the Bronco is a step ahead of another popular turboprop with the same type of engine in regards of engine simulation.
The Twin Otter will even stretch the engines simulation further with features not featured in any turboprop addon yet.
"Although it is nice to see an accurate, well-done representation of the real world aircraft, the attention to detail represented by the "number of rivets=the real plane's" is a step too far in many people's eyes. I also want more attention on the actual flight simulation. At the end of the day, the software is Flight Simulator X and not Spotter Simulator X."
You nailed it !!..
People keep asking for adding stuff like stairs, "remove before flight" tags, traffic cones,engine inlet covers etc. etc..
They seemingly don´t know that all these features will have a negative impact on FPS. All these small models have to be drawn, even if they are not visible (removed). They are actually still there, but simply made invisible.
We beleive that people (maybe not knowing it) prefer smooth FPS, also in high density scenery like Orbx PNW, PFJ, SAK etc.. rather than have all kind of "toys" they can turn on/off while parked.
Our projects should end up with a product that also runs well on midelevel PC's. In FSX there simply are no free beer when it comes to the point where You have to select between nice features and good performance.
(to be continued....)
Finn Jacobsen
(Aerosoft developer)
(Continued...)
Quote:"Don't get me wrong, they make nice stuff, but they will never cater to the so-called hardcore market fully. I guess they see FSX as a game."
We are all avid flight simmers with many years of experience with FS. Personally I have spend many many hours on Vatsim flying highend airliners.I really don´t get what You mean - what about aircraft like the Wilga, Katana 4X, Hughes H-1, Catalina, Bronco, Huey X and now also the Airbus X Extended ??
Are they really so game like ??
Considering the number of support question we get from even sasoned simmers about various "user" related issues I think its fair to regard all these aircraft as being in the higher complexity end.
But we also know the market (i know it sounds like a common phrase), so our products are targetet towards the average - hardcore simmer, but not hardcore simmers who really just accepts 101% simulated systems, modelling and flight dynamics, cause that market is so tiny and the customers in that exatc spot won´t be happy anyway (they dream about the real thing, which doesn´t fit on their harddrives).
"Whether it aerosoft own made products will ever create to earn my respect in the complete package? Years are gone and i feel there are no professionals at the controls- unfortunately."
I don´t know wat You mean by un-professionals..
Do You know how many developers who actually makes their living on developing addons for FSX ?
I can tell You - very few, only a selected handfull. The majority of developers are doing it as part of their own FS hobby in the evenings and weekends when they come home from their real work as electricians, dentists,butchers and what else.
I also don´t get "complete packages". I think all the aircraft I have mentioned here can be regarded as rather complete, often with new features and aftermarket support through service packs and updates.
We actually made an update for the Catalina 2 years after release - how many other companies are doing that ?
Right now we mostly post screenshots of the Twin Otter, but I have numereuos times posted descrpitions about what to expect concerning simulation of the various aircraft systems here on AirdailyX - search and You will find.
The Twin Otter beta testing has hardly started yet, so it would be a bit stupid to reveal all the goodies we expect to put into it before the testers has approved that it actually works.
Soon we will start to reveal more about what to expect as well as making some Youtube videos showcasing the various features.
Finn Jacobsen
(Aerosoft developer)
Finn,
I agree that items like remove before flight tags, etc are over the top. However, I think that creating excellent visuals in what I would consider the base features is just as important as systems. The Twin Otter seems to have achieved that, which I appreciate.
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