FS9/FSX/P3D. And then there were three... I recall the thunderstorm when Terry and Conor of Iresim decided to proceed with Luton a while back and a friendship lost with Gary Summons because of it. Not to mention the flame-wars that resulted. Not that Gary owns the rights to solely do UK airports but now with AviaSim now starting work on the airport begs the question: do we really need three? shit.
I don't know what is supposed to be so good about this airport that now 3 highly talented developers have chosen it. It's the only London area airport I have yet to fly into or out of. And knowing Gary's pride, he ain't gonna back down which is why he is making it anyway after the Eiresim version is complete. In my own honest opinion, I really think AviaSim should sit this one out. What with 3 airports still unfinished, (KSAC, KSLC, and CYXE) one of which is a highly sought after airport, this really, REALLY, necessary?
Here are some words from AviaSim:
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AviaSim on Oct 28th: "Ladies and Gentlemen, with the Version 2 of EDRJ going through final phases, I have now started to work on a new project which I will announce now.
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AviaSim on Oct 28th: "Ladies and Gentlemen, with the Version 2 of EDRJ going through final phases, I have now started to work on a new project which I will announce now.
London Luton International Airport for FS9 and FSX - will also work with Prepar3D
This will be made for FSX taking advantage of Environment Mapping/Reflections, Spec and Bump maps in some areas. FS9 Version will not have these features as it is not supported.
Any links for pictures and/or information will be much appreciated."
This will be made for FSX taking advantage of Environment Mapping/Reflections, Spec and Bump maps in some areas. FS9 Version will not have these features as it is not supported.
Any links for pictures and/or information will be much appreciated."
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And I am sure another thunderstorm is on the horizon:
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AviaSim on Oct. 23rd: "Yesterday, I was browsing UK2000 forums for their next project, until I seen a thread labelled Leicester Airport. In this thread, a fellow was simply asking if it was safe to buy from SimMarket, another user then mentioned the website being "suspended" - when then the UK2000 "Assistant Designer" George Davison posted saying the website wil be back in 2-3 weeks, then, out of nowhere, he decided to mention "BTW. I am not impressed by his work."
In all honesty that was uncalled for and no need to be said in that forum post, nobody was asking about that. I am however aware that our EGBG scenery is not great, it was only our 2nd product, Aviasim is not even a year old - so reading such opinion from a UK2000 assistant designer is a bit of a knock on the head especially for a new "baby" team - not a team, it is one man, me.
This also annoys me because every UK airport I have mentioned to design that UK2000 has already done, I immediately recieve negative comments and e-mails from the UK2000 team which goes along the lines of "Tell me this is a joke. We have already released a version of this airport so please tell me you are not being serious about this as you will affect my family income.". And everytime, I decided to either cancel my whole idea, but after seeing that comment, makes me wonder, UK2000 hates it when another developer does an airport already done by them and tries to lure them out of it, then when a developer does do an airport in UK they seem to throw hate towards it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but being FS developers, it is known we keep our negative opinions to ourself towards others projects, not blurting it out in public forums especially "popular" developers forums un-asked for.
Of course, we can't keep everyone happy, nobody can. However, seeing such uncalled/unasked comment from a UK2000 assistant designer towards a new baby fs scenery design team (1 person) and looking back to other things between Aviasim and UK2000, I see this a complete P**s take and a big joke and does nothing but makes us want to be in direct competition with UK2000 in the very near future.
Side note: Leicester Airport will be made by us again, it is next on the list and will be a complete rebuild for FSX. We will not be including static aircraft in parking places of any of our sceneries.
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AviaSim on Oct. 23rd: "Yesterday, I was browsing UK2000 forums for their next project, until I seen a thread labelled Leicester Airport. In this thread, a fellow was simply asking if it was safe to buy from SimMarket, another user then mentioned the website being "suspended" - when then the UK2000 "Assistant Designer" George Davison posted saying the website wil be back in 2-3 weeks, then, out of nowhere, he decided to mention "BTW. I am not impressed by his work."
In all honesty that was uncalled for and no need to be said in that forum post, nobody was asking about that. I am however aware that our EGBG scenery is not great, it was only our 2nd product, Aviasim is not even a year old - so reading such opinion from a UK2000 assistant designer is a bit of a knock on the head especially for a new "baby" team - not a team, it is one man, me.
This also annoys me because every UK airport I have mentioned to design that UK2000 has already done, I immediately recieve negative comments and e-mails from the UK2000 team which goes along the lines of "Tell me this is a joke. We have already released a version of this airport so please tell me you are not being serious about this as you will affect my family income.". And everytime, I decided to either cancel my whole idea, but after seeing that comment, makes me wonder, UK2000 hates it when another developer does an airport already done by them and tries to lure them out of it, then when a developer does do an airport in UK they seem to throw hate towards it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but being FS developers, it is known we keep our negative opinions to ourself towards others projects, not blurting it out in public forums especially "popular" developers forums un-asked for.
Of course, we can't keep everyone happy, nobody can. However, seeing such uncalled/unasked comment from a UK2000 assistant designer towards a new baby fs scenery design team (1 person) and looking back to other things between Aviasim and UK2000, I see this a complete P**s take and a big joke and does nothing but makes us want to be in direct competition with UK2000 in the very near future.
Side note: Leicester Airport will be made by us again, it is next on the list and will be a complete rebuild for FSX. We will not be including static aircraft in parking places of any of our sceneries.
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Maybe I am overreacting here but all this talent going into the same destination. This is not helping the community at all but hey, who the hell am i to argue...
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11 comments:
I have never heard of Luton airport before, good luck!
Love the pic. I think Aviasim needs to finish one airport before announcing yet another. KSMF and KSLC will not be done and neither be Luton I believe. (I am making my opinions based on their roadmap.) He's already asking for pictures of the airport so how the heck is he going to make it with no sources??
This developer is the classic tale of "girl who cried wolf"
Nobody, NOBODY owns the rights to a virtual airport, and anybody that believes that they do this needs to get their heads checked, if I got sent an email because I decided to make an airport I would refer them to the Federal law enforcement agency for harassment, simple as that, so watch who you send email too.....
I just want to be clear here. AviaSim has the right to make any airport he chooses to make. It's just my firm opinion, we already have one really good version of Luton with another from UK2000 on the books. I would honestly like to see SAC and SLC get completed at least before a redundant project is started. This just baffles my mind...
UK2000 has lost many customers over the years due to their immaturity when it comes to a point eventually when another talented developer does an airport in the UK.
@ a reply made earlier, Darren Seare/Aviasim has already said he can not continure to do KSMF or KSLC since Aviasim is just one man alone doing everything.
I have seen recent work from Darren, I am amazed, I was amazed at his first two releases which he even said his self are not great, looking at his WIP's now are awesome and much better than UK2000 anyway so my vote goes to Aviasim on this one.
I really wanted to delete this previous post (not yours d'Andre :).
Saying that a developer has lost many customers is a curious assessment since the team is developing a lot of airports and is dedicated.
I agree with D'Andre, people really don't want three Luton. There are still many interesting airports in UK like Leeds/bradford, never done in FSX.
Month after month, we repeat - a lot of people repear - that a man alone cannot make a heavy airport or it need an enormous amount of energy.
Best
Dom
I have to agree though. A lot of developers lose customers through similar stories, not just UK2000.
Though UK2000 are making alot of airports, it is not very good that their Assistant Designer throws in his negative opinion when it was never asked in the first place - I don't know about anyone else but I find this as a lack of respect towards Aviasim who are babies compared to UK2000, not fair at all.
I also agree that Aviasim has recently shown work that exceeds UK2000 - my money is also on the Aviasim London Luton
A real shame, I like UK2000 airports but I really hope that what Gary is alleged to have emailed to his competition is untrue, if not it is a breathtaking display of arrogance and bullying. I can also understand Darren's instinctive reaction to compete but I can't see it making any commercial sense whatsoever. A little healthy competition can't hurt us as consumers but I fear we are straying into the realm of wasted effort for vanity's sake :( I believe UK2000 would be best just concentrating on making their airports even better by improving things such as the 2d yellow people and modelling some of the smaller details, and Aviasim would be better concentrating on something manageable that hasn't been attempted in good detail yet. That way lies the most commercially sensible way forward for both and more and better sceneries for us. Of course both will probably be squeezed by Orbx shortly as well? Would some collaboration be a fanciful idea..?? ES did it with Orbx..? Ultimately you are right Dom, great complex sceneries are unlikely to be turned out in decent timeframes by small operators :(
This is the kind of war that will erupt in the following years among ALL developers, most important hubs are done and now some main devs such as FSDT, FT and others will have to re-do other airports that have been done. They need to eat so they just can't say hey: Imaginesim did that one and I can't do it.
Imaginesim will get a beating in the next years because they rushed and made dozens of important airports that now some much better developers will give a second look.
Hey this is a business.... why complain?
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I perfectly understand that somebody who has done an airport in let's say towncity, has invested time and he may thing that towncity is in its portfolio for ever and its becoming possible cash for later times.
But "towncity" does not belong to anyone.
There is no written rules anyway.
It's a free world and simmers will judge this on time... by buying or not.
I am still waiting for "my" Leeds Bradford airport. Abandonned months ago by a certain ... Mexsim.
Dom
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