[Real Aviation]. Airbus Industries has confirmed today that the A-350 will perform its first flight this friday, in Toulouse, France, depending on weather conditions. The planning is tight, but yes, the next step is a proud fly over... Le Bourget exhibition, next week. Now, who will design the first (hard core) A350 in our FS world..
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Will be a long time before good a350 add on airbus will not release the flight model and system data until a new airplane takes its place
Ugly
Europe is proud of this aircraft, as much as with the A380.
I like the Boeing Dreamliner too, so why just react this way ? Ugly ? Really ?
Dom
ADX
I agree with Lee Marrow ! Really sorry Dom, i lived 10 years in France and also in Luxembourg, Germany and Belgium , nd some other plces in Europe, but Europeans are VERYZ arrogant in the sense that they think that they do everything better than other countries, especially french peoples.....im now in Canada and people are way more kind....i" ll take just one exemple: when it comes to JAA vs other Licences, flight schools will explain to you that anything different than JAA is crap, what mntality is that.....?? Im not french but originally from Africa and i do speak french perfectly and im not an irbus guy at all. i think American peoples are better when it comes to viation. America is the continent of aviation......come on a plane without a trim ?!
Well you can´t say the A320 wasn't a success :P
Beautiful! especially the new nose! contrary from Boeing that has the same nose for 707, 727 all 737's (booring)!
Maybe it's nose-structure is very aerosynamic? I would have thought that aircraft-companies think about their aircraft's efficiency, either than how "boring" they look.
I agree with Lee, Europeans think they are the best in the world. They think they can do everything perfect. And this is in every industry. Cars, Planes etc.
All airbus planes are idiotic, atleast for me. I fly from Toronto to Dubai every 3 months. I never take the Emirates A380. I always take Etihad 777-300er. The ticket is more expensive but i love boeings. I love the kind attitude of Americans, not arrogant of Europeans.
Just to clarify, i am not an american or an european
Lol , you should travel around the world budd.....
Haha. well i have traveled to 27 countries only on boeings. Seems kinda funny but that is the way i go.
FSLabs will probably be the first to create a hard core A350, Aerosoft might create a lite version though like the AXE before them, which should be fine for most users.
For those commenting as "Anonymous" please enter names.
Wow.
Your A318, A319, A320, A321 all have the same noses, your A300, A310, A330 and A340 as well whats your point exactly?
This must be one of the most dumb this i have read.
Simmers, please don't feel the need to read on, I know I can RANT, this is just something in response to 1 or 2 of the nasty harsh comments above:
I simply can't believe what you've just said anon. Please, please tell me you're at least quite a young chap or perhaps of teen age so I can understand at least & put to rest in my mind that an adult would not actually think so immaturely about anything or anyone...the main reason I say that is not only the content & massive generalisation of human beings according to where they live based on your individual experience or even the lack of understanding of the history of aviation & the major contributions to it, since the first Wright brothers flight, by both Americans and Europeans above all...but what in anyone's name has anything you've just said got to do with the Airbus A350 XWB and its first test flight???
I don't know how many times I could be shocked in one comment.
Hell...I'm with Mason in exactly what he said in my opinion regarding the 'ugly' post. Before the childishness starts, both the Dreamliner & A350 will be a success...just as the 737 & A320 were, the 747 & A380 etc. that's not even something to talk about. I think both airliners look nice in their own way, they really will change the travel industry & they do have slightly different uses for various airlines according to their needs eg.capacity. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder & thank god for that so your 'ugly' is someone else's beauty...so I have no idea what you're going on about there either.
Then, really? the generalisations about all French people, all European human beings, really? All the same? All arrogant? all bad? I just feel sorry for those poor really nice Canadians (including my rellies over there) that have to put up with such prejudice amongst them. The only thing ugly in this article are your comments and childishness like this. It doesn't matter if you've lived in every nation on earth(Travel should surely broaden your mind's horizons rather than have this effect, even if you've had -ve experiences, if you're someone with life experience). The A350 is just fine, as is the A380, as is the Boeing Dreamliner. Well said Mason! I'm hoping you're (anon) just a young teenager whose still finding themselves which I could easily and totally understand (we've all been there mate) but even if you are, I needed to say this before people just start lowering the tone to downright borderline 'ugly' r....m dare I even say....or 'continent-ism' or other nonsense instead of responding to the news about this 1st flight. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings but we are aviation enthusiasts aren't we & surely we've got something more to say than what you've just said and see the world of flight & aviation in a different way just because of that part in us. Anyway, its just sad that's all, sorry to go on, wish I didn't feel the need to. Better now:-)
We're still working on the 787, so it might be a while...:)
PS - Aerosim did do well, though
QualityWings
nuff said
I actually initially wanted to comment that its brave doing the flight test after the old A320 Le Bourget incident...anyone remember that episode of Air Crash Investigation/Mayday? But it is a brave & good decision, I believe. Looking forward to watching the flight. Thanks for letting us know. Can't wait until we're travelling on these new airliners. A380 was great...waiting to travel the Dreamliner next. Would be awesome if the airbus model & systems could be accessed somehow, legally of course, some day so we can also fly these airliners for ourselves. Hope I wasn't too hard on you buddy but lets settle down a bit with the insulting in general shall we guys. I can't remember the last time so much great stuff was happening in the flight sim world with all the amazing titles of aircraft and scenery currently in the pipeline...we should be rejoicing our heads off rather than commenting in such cynical spirits so often. Come on lads... A collective celebratory wow needs to be happening in our simming-world right now. You know it does really.
Think you're probably right. I'd be happy with these two at least. Amazing above isn't it? By the time I typed in my replies above, the blog's already moved down to here...quite a few kids are already out to play. Oh well, lets see what else has made the news in the past few hours.
Yup
PMDG.
nuff said
Yup, nuff said!
Actually, no. Not enough said. For starters there is Majestic, Real Air, A2A , Aerosoft & CoolSky to name a few.
Get over it, not everyone owns or wants PMDG or the latest 737NG series. I could be rude and say some of us can fly without a FMC doing all the work, but I won't. Instead I will say to you Mr Potato (if that is indeed who you are) that there are other options for aircraft, all you have to is open your mind.
The Airbus A350 is the European aircraft manufacturer's knee-jerk reaction to Boeing's Dreamliner:
Airbus faced almost immediate criticism on the A350 project from the heads of two of their largest customers, International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) and GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS). On 28 March 2006, in the presence of hundreds of top airline executives, ILFC President Steven F. Udvar-Hazy lambasted Airbus' strategy in bringing to market what they saw as "a Band-aid reaction to the 787", a sentiment that was echoed by GECAS president Henry Hubschman. Udvar-Hazy called on Airbus to bring a clean-sheet design to the table, or risk losing most of the market to Boeing. Several days later Chew Choon Seng, then CEO of Singapore Airlines (SIA), made a similar comment: "Having gone to the trouble of designing a new wing, tail, cockpit" and adding advanced new materials, Airbus "should have gone the whole hog and designed a new fuselage." At the time, SIA was reviewing bids for the 787 and A350. Airbus responded by stating they were considering improvements for the A350 to satisfy customer demands.[20] At the same time, Airbus' then-CEO Gustav Humbert suggested that there would be no quick fixes: "Our strategy isn't driven by the needs of the next one or two campaigns, but rather by a long-term view of the market and our ability to deliver on our promises."
I have never liked Airbus aircraft, they are always way more uncomfortable than Boeing aircraft, they are designed on paper to appeal to accountants, offering a variety of cost-saving items that do nothing to improve passenger comfort. Boeing on the other hand also looks at the traveller, and while not losing perspective of the bottom line, still manages to design and manufacture aircraft that are light-years ahead of any Airbus in terms of comfort and innovation.
Case in point, the A380 epitomizes the notion of packing passengers into a metal body like sardines into a can.
Wow, I couldn't agree more. To the point and exactly how I see it too.
I think it is up to the airline to decide how much comfort they offer the customer. The A 380 is so silent that the flightattendants had to stop slandering about annoying passengers.
There is not one A 380 that carries the possible 853 passengers. Most carriers offer about 500 seats. Lufthansa 525. Korean Air only 430 or a little bit more. There is much more comfort on an A 380 than on any 777 or A330. And don't forget the safety aspect. The 777 GE 90 115B has had quite a few inflight shutdowns in recent times and is not considered to be too reliable. On the A 380 you have still three engines left. That is good old school safety.
I see. You are a fan of "4 Engines 4 Long Haul..." A slogan Airbus abandoned...
Talk crap about the 777 all you want, engine failure or not, it's just as good on 1 engine as the A380 is on 3...
And if I remember correctly, it's the A380's failure to deliver on it's promised capabilities that led to the freighter variant never being developed...
I strongly doubt the stretch variant will ever see the light of day as well.
The 777 has looks and it delivers on all it's promises, range, payload, speed. All of it.
It's the reason Qatar, an airline that didn't want American aircraft took deliveries of 777's instead of more A330's and A340's.
And the the A380 had a bunch of issues with it's RR engines so your argusment is a mute point.
And use a name the next time you post or it might not get published.
Folks, please use names.
It's the beancounters who buy aircraft, not pilots or the flying public. Concorde was the most beautiful aircraft in the world and it was a complete flop.
The A350 is a 777 replacement, and the 787 is a 767/A330 replacement. Nothing more.
I actually lol'd...I loved the old 'Mr. Potato (if that is indeed who you are)' line dude! Fantastic... I still can't stop laughing...that was class. Come on Mark... we're only kidding around...Well, I was anyway. You've got a very fair point and I'd agree with all those aircraft and others even. Still can't stop p..sing myself at how funny that line read in the context of your anger though mate. Meant with the utmost compliments at your humour. OH someone, help me...that's brilliant! Can't stop rollin around...need to get a hold of myself..."if that is indeed who you are". What's cracking me up is if he really is Mr. Potato. Sorry..huhum! I'll go now.
The A350 is a replacement for existing Airbus aircraft such as the A340 line.
Saying it's the 777's replacement is like saying the A380 is the replacement for the 747-400. It's not.
The 747 replacements are the 777-300ER and the 748 respectively.
The A350 is an entirely new market, one that I do not believe threatens the 777 very much.
Thanks, seen the name and could not resist.
Know what you mean, crossed my mind too. Funny nonetheless. Cool.
I couldn't wait for the A380 first flight. I couldn't wait for the 787 first flight. I cannot wait for this one as well.
Other folks in the future will carry on with this debate as well. There is no airline that replaces Pan Am and there is no aircraft that replaces the 747. There will not aircraft that will replace the 777, A380 or A350. The A320 does not replace the 737 and no aircraft will.
The 747, A380, 777 and A350 are all beautiful. It all depends on whether you want to limit yourself to appreciate. We're lucky that aviation is moving with new aircraft these days and we get the emotion of first flights more often.
The issue is that most of us are at no position to argue the technicalities and truth be told none of us is an expert. Experts wouldn't engage in this debate at all. We are fans. We behave like fans.
Somewhere along I probably felt more like a fan of aviation than Boeing or Airbus, so I enjoy every minute of it, no matter where the spotlight is shining on. This time around is the A350, and I am looking forward to Friday.
Belisar
"Those posting as anonymous please write your names" :-D
Hey Belisar, please see this link to embed your name in your posts:
http://airdailyx.blogspot.com/2013/06/posting-comments-on-adx.html
Well stated Belisar...I couldn't agree more...everyone has their favourite airliners, as they do cars etc and we all like to voice it now and then... we're mostly blokes after all...but what you said...I see it the same way in reality. Friday's just another great day in the on-going aviation story. can't wait to see what comes next in this era though I suspect it'll settle down a little after all these great aircraft releases (777, A380, 787, A350). But I have no idea really...as you say, I'm an enthusiast but certainly no expert.
Airbus do care about passenger comfort. Its ridiculous to think otherwise. I have been lucky enough to fly long haul (12hrs+++) almost monthly and have flow on the A380, 747 and 777. By far the most comfortable plane for these trips was the A380. Its is absolutely silent. I flew the 777 immediately afterwards on a connecting leg and the noise was just deafening compared to the A380. Im a huge Boeing fan, I even worked for them at some stage, but I have to give credit where it is due - the A380 is an awesome long haul plane. Like it was said earlier, no carrier maxes out the 800+ yet, all sit around 450-500 and its very comfortable - even in economy! I am sure the A350 will be a great aircraft and a great option for people who have lost faith in the Dreamliner after its massive delays and battery problems. Even though its fixed now, it has probably put a few carriers off.
I smell fan boys.
Well said Sid, mate. Some of you should be ashamed - really ashamed IMHO. It's nice to see at least some of you have a brain. Thanks again Sid.
LMAO! I was just about to say: ".....and this isn't a fan boy against fanboy thread, is it"?!! Am I on the Airliners.net forums by any chance?? Smells of pathetic once again.....
Yeah, Airbus has used the same noses across it's narrowbody line and across their single-deck widebody line up to this point as well, so let's call that a wash...Maybe you can try to come up with a better Boeing slam (if you can call it that) that isn't so shallow next time?
I've been skeptical of the A350 since day 1, so we'll see...
You'll get that in any A vs B topic.
The A350 has yet to prove anything, the 787 is still working on proving itself, and the A380 can be a star, depending on the operating airline. So let's leave it at that for the next couple of years and avoid the countless, pointless A vs B topics that have been beaten over the head far too many times.
The 777-200 series will likely be replaced by the a350-900, due to the airbus having a 25% lower casm. 777-200 orders have already basically ceased following the range improvements of airbus's a330-300 which is about to have a MTOW increase. The a350 will do to the 777 what the 787 did to the a330, which is absorb most of the orders, which will cause boeing to lower the price of their 777-300er(the only non freighter model that is still selling). The current model 777 will keep selling for a few years at a more and more discounted price, until the 777-9x arrives in 2022. The a350 is not designed to just replace the a330/a340 fleets; it is directly aimed at the 300 seat market(777/a340) and airbus is already swaying many T7 operators towards the a350 (look at JAL and ANA and British Airways). As for cabin comfort, airbus planes have consistently wider seats (737 vs a320/748 vs a380) and lower cabin noise (the a380 is quiter than the 777 and 787, and the a350 should continue this trend.) I don't see why Boeing fanboys are so ignorant, and this is coming from an American. Also, both companies are international profit moivated corporations, so imposing nationalism on this argument is irrational.
If airbus do not care about cabin comfort, the why do boeing product have thinner seats and more dense cabins? Have you sat 3-4-3 in a T7? Also boeing airliners are generally louder, with the only exception being the 787 vs the a330?
Well if it's not a 777 replacement then why did Boeing greenlight the 777-X? Obviously Boeing felt threatened enough by the A350 that they decided to refresh their 777 offerings.
As for the A340, the aircraft was just an A330 with 2 more engines bolted on for the niche market of ETOPS-limiting ULH routes which were uneconomical for the 747. However the A340 business case vanished when the 777 got ETOPS 180 certification and longer range. The only reasons why the A340 is still flying are that most existing airframes are already paid for by the airlines, parts/pilot commonality with the A330, driftdown limitations for twin-engine aircraft over the Himalayas, and they can't sell them because no one will want them. (Air Tahiti Nui is getting slaughtered by the poor economy and the virtual 'scrap' valuation of its A340 fleet) The A350 is none of that.
All those stupid comments about what plane or what manufacturer is better... its all bullsh*t!
They are planes, they fly, they take you to your destinations if there are no malfunctions. And if there are... you are screwed, but you won't even know then xD.
Maybe they suck in the beginning and maybe they will be grounded. But I am sure they will be a great succes afterwards.
Don't like Airbus? Buy another ticket to fly with a Boeing... Don't like Boeing? Do the opposite! But don't be a little kid and brag about that the plane sucks.
How can you judge about the A350 if it didn't even fly yet. Maybe its ugly... so what? It is freaking flying (if it will).
Just to make sure... I am a European, I am in love with the American planes, but I am starting to like the European planes too. I love the A320 and A330 right now. I don't care about the plane... even if it is a freaking old 707 which will damage my ears forever. As long it takes me to my destination... I AM HAPPY!
Popcorn time...
Fan boy Boeing vs Airbus "discussions" are the most tedious... on the same lines of FS9 vs FSX...
I think it is great to see the A350 going for its inaugural test flight, long awaited...
It is an aluminium/composite can, just like the Dreamliner 787...
I think it is time that some grew up here...
Taylor, JRSchipol (nice vids by the way) and Andrew: Finally, some sensible things to say and far closer to reality.
SIA also recently rejigged its orders in a similar manner to those above...it will have both A350s and 777-300ss. I must say its A380 in January was the most comfortable and nicest flight I've personally ever had (had a few but not flown the 787, yet...looking forward to that too), not to mention anything about its ladies in the sky...any of you guys that have flown them, you'll know just what I mean ;-) Singapore girl, you're a great way to fly.
Their triple 7 was comfortable on the return leg to London too...and I'm sure their A350 will be too...for a Skytrax best economy class airline and in the top 3 in general, it will be a comfortable 5 star service and airline flight, whichever bird you fly in. These new aircraft are far more modular and configurable aren't they so if the airline configures any cabin poorly, any aircraft will be more uncomfortable. As to Boeing vs. Airbus, I'm glad they both exist for several reasons and I love a lot of both their aircraft. And as you guys say, nationality is so irrational and just doesn't come into it. That's just a different part of the cerebrum and psyche being exercised...the part that doesn't shrink with age in some adults. Still, each to his own. Next!
Yes all of what you say is correct. But the 777X will replace the 777 not the A350.
That has nothing to do with Boeing. That is an option choosen by the airline. If you have flown on many different airlines, you will see many different layonts and seat types. Cant blame that on Boeing...
I like trains. CHOO CHOOO!
No problem Tomz, thanks for your support and understanding of where I'm coming from. Just felt it needed to be said, for what good it'll do. Maybe none. Thanks again though..it sure is nice to see there are those with a brain here buddy.
It's easy to copy, to innovate though, is something else altogether. Boeing developed the 787 with over half the aircraft being made up of composites, true innovation. The 787 has larger windows than any other airlines, again true innovation. The use of composites allows a higher degree of humidity in the aircraft, thereby increasing passenger comfort, true innovation again. From my own experience, this contributes a HUGE increase in comfort, especially on long haul where with other aircraft your nose and throat always feel dry.
So yeah, in my eyes the companies that truly innovate are leaders in their field, Boeing is one of them.
The plane looks as it does because it's been designed to fly under water as well. That nose won't collect nearly as much seaweed as a rounded one would...
Is this reference to "under water" to mean what CPT Sully and his miraculous landing on the Hudson and saving all on board in an Airbus?
I hope we never have to find out if the same results would have to come from any other plane doing the same regardless of who built it.
As had been said by DAndre, this is a SUPPLIER QUESTION!!! Aircraft manufacturer just offer you possibilities and you choose from it, not only seats but thousands of other gadgets.
It can be read to mean anything you like--especially if it fuels your self-indulgent, morally indignant predilections. Enjoy!
p.s. Under water--would the same engines now be turbotfans?
p.s. That is not a comment which refers at all to anyone who may have ever heroically saved a flattened fish...
I tend to agree with you in that Airbus is always afraid to be the first into market. That said, I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Airbus must really like Boeing's ideas to have to copy them all the time.
BTW, before anyone replies with 'uhh...the A380 is so innovative' bullcrap, keep in mind Airbus decided to steal away from the 747 with that decision in the early 2000s. During that same time, Boeing projected that market was dying and would end up extremely limited and decided not to put up a solid competitor. Boeing was right, and while the A380, and to a lesser extent, the 747-8I have seen service in this market, it is still limited, and the A380 program is on life support from one airline and one airline only, Emirates, a carrier who made a bold business decision that has paid off for them and sees the A380 in mass numbers as very beneficial to them, but that is a one off event. Look at other A380 operators, as many OR FEWER A380s than they had 747s, still proving Boeing correct, that the VLA market is limited.
That doesn't mean I'm trying to be a Boeing fanboy and bash Airbus. The A380 has seen success, but again, that success is thanks to only one airline. The A330 continues to be the widebody twin of choice for many airlines, almost 1000 produced, a success by all standards. The A320 series has been stealing away 737/757 market for the past two or three decades, again, successful. But my point is that all of these successes rode of the back of a competitive product that existed first from Boeing. It would be nice to see Airbus take a leader position when it comes to innovation for once, maybe something to hope for in the A360.
FYI a couple of readers choose to select the default anonymous selection to comment making themselves clear they aren't planning to get with the program. These guys wasted their time and the comments were not published. We are not joking about this. We will start cracking down harder on this.
We are not asking for much here.
For those who complied, thank you very much. Already it's becoming a friendlier place thanks to your efforts.
D'
"The 777 has looks and it delivers on all it's promises, range, payload, speed. All of it. "
DAndre, sorry, but this is just a joke. Kind of sounds like an ex-USC girlfriend of mine :) Couldn't resist, sorry.
I would like to see the 787 and A350 in the skies for a long time. Fight on!
Any supporting arguements here Ray? Thanks for the pot shot, but cummon dude, you gotta back that statement up with something...
It wasn't a "pot shot" at all. Just my attempt at some humor. Didn't mean to offend. And that was like 20 years ago. I was only joking around.
I meant, MY post was a joke.
Same here...looking forward to be able to fly on both. Haven't even flown the Dreamliner yet. Can't wait for the opportunity! So glad both these aircraft are going to exist...just means a better passenger experience all round.
Ugly is my personal opinion of the first looks of the aircraft , it might be an outstanding aircraft , its designed to do a job , I will not fly this machine as I do not have my CPL so I get to look at it in pictures and on first look its no MD-11 or DC-10 or 757 . just my opinion don't want to start arguments . Its the same with everything like cars or even women easy on the eye and im sorry but this airbus (in my opinion) is far from it , and im European !!!
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