[FS Market]. Two weeks after the initial release of the Airbus eXtended, you might want to know how many copies have been sold out and downloaded ? Well, i want to know ! Update 18:30 UTC : and now 3515 ownloads !!!
There is one tip. The latest hotfix available from Aerosoft Support forums displays 3 335 downloads.
- That includes full version and updated version (from the first Airbus X).
- Of course, some people are still unaware of this hotfix or don't wish to download it yet.
From these facts and guesses, that leads us to think that Aerosoft has already sold out 4 000 copies.
Just for the game of guessing, let's say that from these copies,
60 % are coming from the first edition (Airbus X)
and 40 % are from full edition.
The score ? 48 000 € + 64 000 € = 112 000 €
The truth is probably between 100 000 and 150 000 euros.
Is it a lot ? No so much. For this kind of heavy project, you need to pay 2 or 3 full time developers, Aerosoft services, co-contractors, advertising etc. But the product is a huge addition to Aerosoft portfolio and more copies are going to be sold out in the coming weeks and months.
So, if you want the truth, go get your hotfix V1.02c and see how high do numbers go...
Airdailyx
January 2013
DM
24 comments:
Thank you as always ADX. I was unaware of this, thank goodness you are my twice or more Daily Read:)
I wonder how many Dubais were sold by FlyTampa! :-)
Good remark, however the result is questionable, you're forgeting that there's a massive piracy on extended, i dont think 3,5k people bought the extended unfortunately
I suspect that this number is much lower than most hobbyists would expect, but is probably close to reality.
In the book publishing world, a bestseller might sell several hundred thousand copies. But academic presses typically publish several thousand copies.
In another hobby, miniature gaming, a successful set of miniature gaming rules will sell several thousand copies. Many rules don't even sell this.
In term of revenue, cut your numbers in half. Typically, the retailers (i.e. Aerosoft) take half of the revenues from a product, and the actual developers are lucky to see half of that.
If you think about it, it is not much of a return for year(s) of work by a team of highly skilled programmers and 3d artists.
How many for the PMDG 737 NGX ?
Let's face it! the sales are a disaster (even if 6k sales) & don't forget some paid only 20 € like me... it's only Aerosoft's fault, they ware bragging about how the AAE is such a joy to handfly! it's NOT,a crappy FBW handflyer, how the FPS would be 50% better then NGX..well it's NOT. People learn & are not stupid they read forums, nobody forgot the Arb X buggs that never ware fixed! they know Aerosoft can't be trusted with their sales talk + the looong delay puted people off..waiting for FSL 320 or PMDG 777 instead. Now with PMDG U know you get 100% quality that's why they sold over 20k+ NGX's.
Who cares?! Since I always had all PMDG-planes (sent more than 2.000 hours on PMDG`s) from the very beginning on I was badly surprised to learn PMDG is one of the most unappealing developers in FS-business. The way the act during release and their reactions conc. the very first reviews pretended me from squander my money to them any more. Never ever...
Reg. AXE: It`s truly a nice addon and I don`t think that so many costumers will buy the FSL instead. Due to the fact that FSL will have a lot more systemdepth what will cause many, many hours of reading, learning and practising. Compared with that the AXE is just great for me. Guessing that is exactly what most simmers want. The "hardcore-systemdepth-guys" have always been a minority and will always be.
The exterior-modelling and especially the manual flying as well as the flybywire of AXE cannot be surpassed in my opinion.
Overall it is a miracle as always: If there`s a huge brand like PMDG or flytampa all people getting crazy and bying willingless and nearly blind everything will come. Even if the new product is`nt worth it. Look at Dubai X - totally crappy compared to Kai Tak for example. Or even look at the NGX: How many SP`s and bugfixes were needed until it really usable?!
Sometimes people are hardly to understand...
Yeah, but then you have all the ones from piratebay.
Nice to handfly? U can't be a real pilot? Try to do an manual ndb approach with the rose, impossible to do in the AAE with any precision!
What are you talking about?
Why should that be a desaster? 3500copies would be a dream for PMDG!
Where did you get your numbers for the NGX from anyway? Evidence?
He maybe not, but I am. It flys really like the real thing, despite some minor glitches here and there.
And BTW, the Extended does a pretty good job on simulating what the real thing does. What the real one can't do very good can't be done so in the simulation ;-)
"3500copies would be a dream for PMDG"
Sorry, but if you are so unintelligent by making such a statement...I wont even bother answering you.
"3500copies would be a dream for PMDG"
I am pretty sure the NGX is the best selling addon at this time, there's not a soul that does not have in in their hangar. I do not know who you are, but you seem extremely butt hurt about something, maybe you've been banned at the forum and have developed a tonne of rage within your heart.
I think that's still much better than the Coolsky DC-9, not very many customers for that product judging from the forum traffic even though from my limited knowledge there's no pirated version.
Also I did a licensed(paying) members count at the Coolsky S80+DC9 forums and I noticed that the number is about 5200, although that may include people who got Flight1 refunds but didn't have their forum privileges removed. I also noticed that licensed members' join dates have a "constant flow" characteristic suggesting that the S80 sales figures were relatively consistent throughout the years, something that Aerosoft may be counting on.
Finally Coolsky just updated the DC-9 to SP1 today. Sorry for the thread drift.
@Immanuel
How many people brought the "lite" iFly 737NG compared to the PMDG version? The answer is not very many. Also have a look at CLS, I don't think they're doing too well compared to Qwings. IMO the Aerosoft bus will likely become the "iFly" of the Airbuses when FSL A320 is released. Lefteris is ex-PMDG and he knows what made that company successful.
Lastly don't forget that the entire FBW Airbus lineup share very similar systems. When you get the base systems done it becomes fairly easy to model the entire fleet from the A318 to the A340/A380. Like PMDG with the -600/700 Aerosoft will make more money from these extensions.
Sorry if you are so unintelligent to really beleave the average simmer would fly something as complex as the NGX then YOU would be the only one not deserving an answer.
That everyone has it in his hangar is not true either.
Propably on the big communitys and "professional" forums it's true, but have a look at those "noob" sites as Facebookgroups and so on. They are also all simmers and can't even tell a 737 cockpit from it's looks. Do you really think they have and fly the NGX? Not at all.
Actually because of this I am 100% sure the NGX is far from the best selling Addon this time.
It's nice to see however how people "intelligent" enough to fly something like the NGX have no idea about the average simmer and loose sight for the real facts.
By the way, the tone you're two are answering in is not the nicest either. As far as I know I did not attack anyone here.
Answers like "Sorry, but if you are so unintelligent by making such a statement" are totally unprofessional and by the way with that you DID answer me already. lol
"but you seem extremely butt hurt about something"
And you explain why I should be butt hurt by anything please. Don't forget your evidence ;-)
Ok guys. It's time to stop these passionate attacks...
Dom
BTW it`s a shame nearly everyone here`s writing anonymous.
In real life the only thing I fly regulary is an old Cessna 152, so indeed I have no idea how the real Airbus acts in all these uncountable situations we are facing up in the sky.
I wonder about the dicussions here. I have a very good job which sadly means there`s not a lot of time left for hobbies. I am married and we have 3 wonderful liitle children. My family is the very important thing in my life and they need my time. The times where I could spent 3-4 hours a day with FS are gone. Now it`s a maximum of 3 hours a week. I still "collect" all of the addons out there (ok - PMDG not any more - LOL) but in fact there`s no time to fly (to) all of them. I guess that I have approached the group of the classic mainstream-simmers by now. :-) So I really believe that addons like FSL or PMDG are the ones who selling a lot more copies than the intemediate stuff. But hey: Within FS there are sooooooo much possebilities that everyone can choose by himself what he/she preferes. So absolutely no need for battle here. That`s really childish in my opinion.
It appears as though we have a Captain Sim employee here -yawn face-
Nice how you actually everytime do not answer to what I'm saying. Seems you don't know any valid answer, right?
"3500copies would be a dream for PMDG!" with those kind of sales PMDG would be out of business a long time ago!
1000 copies of a single product would be a dream for many developers. :-)
You don't seem to have much idea of the flightsim market. This is not offensve, but true. I remember a statement of Mathijs Kok of Aerosoft who once said on their forums that if you bring them 3000 sales they'll basicly build you everything.
That was scenery related. Two facts factor into sceneries:
-Once you learnt how to do one scenery, you learnt how to make them all (and Aerosoft has tens, if not hundreds of people, inside and contractors, who know this stuff)
-Scenery is much less labor intensive compared to a complex airplane sim, especially in bugfinding and bugfixing.
In essence, with Aerosoft and scenery, you are looking at (my best guess) several hundred euros for photoscenery and so, and then several hundred manhours max.
Meanwhile, the Airbus is Aerosofts first major airliner. The learning curve must have been impossible, even with the non-extended. Modelling is on a different level, compared to scenery (even if there is less, by volume). Then there is the programming. Writing custom systems takes months even if you have a team of seasoned proffessionals. And then you find bugs, you need an armada of testers (compared to couple testers per scenery), and loads of time to pinpoint the bugs and correct them... that is thousands upon thousands of hours, some usually donated (testers) but some have to be paid for. Then you also have support, which is infinitely more complicated and expensive for an airliner...
There is no way Airbus X Extended or any PMDG product would be profitable with 3000 sales.
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